Truthers - meticulous on some, non-questioning on others...

To make my point with this post, I will use a woman's speech as an example. I don't mean to so much to go after her, even if I criticize her here for sure. She's not alone in acting this way among truthers.

Barbara Honegger and her speech

Barbara Honegger has a 3-hour video on YouTube of a speech she held which some of you may have seen (I have actually). Her video is called "Behind the Smoke Curtain" and you can see it here. 3 hours and 5 minutes to be exact.

I admit that I learned some new things, especially in the first half (maybe more than half).

In this video Barbara discusses the crash of AA77 into the Pentagon, or rather, that she thinks it didn't do that and why she things so.

1st half of the video

The first half of the video is devoted to the details of what went down at the Pentagon. In this part, I learned some new details. Actually, I cannot recall them right now, but I learned some new things for sure.

She was pretty meticulous and detailed here. This is one point with this post (the meticulous part).

She did chose to bring forth some witnesses while not bringing up other witnesses. So, she deliberately skewed what people saw at the Pentagon to paint a picture. One might call this deception really.

You can check out many witnesses' statement + evidence of AA77 on Mark Roberts' site here.

2nd half of the video

In the second half of the video (or maybe last third or so), Barbara suddenly begins to discuss dual citizens, and specifically such dual citizens that are Americans and Israeli (according to her).

She lays the blame pretty much on them, or at the very least make them look suspect and only focus on them. This without basically any evidence that can prove they actually did anything to cause the destruction at the Pentagon.

In this part of the video, it's more speculation than anything else. (and seemingly an "attack" on "zionists")

She does not appear to question any of her own theories here, unlike how detailed she was in the first half or first two thirds. This is my second point with this post (being non-questioning).

Final thoughts

Truthers often act this way! They have some areas where they are very very detailed and really know a lot. I give them credit for that knowledge for sure.

but then they can put forth theories that they don't seem to scrutinize themself and accept as fact without supporting evidence. It can be them claiming there were no planes, military planes, switched planes, controlled demolitions etc..

A more consistent focus on detail had been desirable from truthers so they would also question their own theories and scrutinize them. There should be no pride in this! If they're wrong about some things, they should admit that (if needed) and change accordingly, as should us "debunkers"!

We're all people, take care!

Osama admits he did 9/11

but first things first... His supposed denial of responsibility...

Denial

Some have said that Osama denied responsibility in the beginning, but few say that the source of that is Karachi Daily Ummat in Pakistan, a country which has not always seemed to be very pro-USA or pro-West. That was proven when Osama found and killed there if not before. Karachi Daily Ummat is "believed to have close connections to Islamic groups in Afghanistan" according to an archived link from Ananova you can read here. Also, the newspaper says it "submitted questions for bin Laden to Taliban officials and received written replies". So, how much faith would you put in that? Me personally, I don't put any faith in this at all.

"Confession-video"

Then in December, 2001 already, Pentagon released a video showing Osama bin Laden talk about the 9/11-attacks and what his expectations were, that Atta was in charge etc. as you can see here. I linked the whole 59-minute video there. Over half (the latter part of the video) is of outdoor scenes seemingly unrelated. But in this full video, you can see the first parts when Osama and others enter the room and sit down before they begin talking about 9/11. It has subtitles.

So, this obviously contradicts his supposed "denial", where he also supposedly said it was against Islam to kill innocents, which is true, but he had advocated that it was "OK" to kill civlians (even going so far as calling it a "duty") in statements prior to 9/11, such as an edict from February 22, 1998, as you can read (among others) in this link from PBS's "Frontline". If you search for "civilians" there, it's the 4th hit of 5.

Claiming responsiblity

Finally, in 2004, Al Jazeera showed a video sent to them and published the transcript of said video, which you can see by clicking "Al Jazeera" above.

Fox News reported on this saying he for the first time claimed responsibility for the attacks, and also said why. This video was done prior to the election in 2004, and was likely an attempt to affect the outcome. Fox's link can be seen as sort of a "summary" of the speech and maybe "easier to read", which is why I link that too.

Likewise, CNN reported on this video, which was very special in that Osama admitted guilt concerning 9/11 for the first time. CNN's article can also be seen as sort of a "summary" of his speech for those that don't want to read the whole transcript.

Conclusion

This clearly shows that Osama at least claimed responsibility for 9/11. That, in itself is not proof positive of having commited 9/11, but a strong circumstantial piece of evidence I would say.

Obviously, one has to be aware that the video was to some large extent propaganda and Osama obviously had several purposes with releasing the video. All he said should be taken with a grain of salt, but it's still interesting to hear it from himself.

It's also good to have this information to show truthers so they see that Osama indeed admitted to 9/11, while his supposed "denial" is very much in question.

Osama positively ID'd in confession video

In late 2001 a video of Osama bin Laden came out where he talked about 9/11 together with others. Osama talked about his surprise etc. in that video. and he seemed to openly show that he and AQ planned it.

Truthers have often said this video is "faked". Osama appears more "chubby" and other "problems" in the minds of truthers.

However, BBC had a show called "Conspiracy files" several years ago. These "conspiracy files" were 1 hour long each and on a specific topic, not only about 9/11. One was about Oklahoma, one about David Kelly etc.. but there was one about Osama and whether he was alive or not (as it had often been claimed that he was dead).

In that program, they included an expert who took a still picture of Osama from a known video of him from 1998 and then they faded from a still picture from the "confession" video to that known picture of him in front of our eyes, and it's a perfect match! See for yourselves:
These clips of this BBC-show are often removed as it's copyright-protected, so maybe this 3-minute clip with the identification of Osama will be removed also, but I wrote the name of the show so you can look it up for yourselves above.

[here was before a video, which apparently was removed]

It's as clear as it can be.