To make my point with this post, I will use a woman's speech as an example. I don't mean to so much to go after her, even if I criticize her here for sure. She's not alone in acting this way among truthers.
Barbara Honegger and her speech
Barbara Honegger has a 3-hour video on YouTube of a speech she held which some of you may have seen (I have actually). Her video is called "Behind the Smoke Curtain" and you can see it here. 3 hours and 5 minutes to be exact.
I admit that I learned some new things, especially in the first half (maybe more than half).
In this video Barbara discusses the crash of AA77 into the Pentagon, or rather, that she thinks it didn't do that and why she things so.
1st half of the video
The first half of the video is devoted to the details of what went down at the Pentagon. In this part, I learned some new details. Actually, I cannot recall them right now, but I learned some new things for sure.
She was pretty meticulous and detailed here. This is one point with this post (the meticulous part).
She did chose to bring forth some witnesses while not bringing up other witnesses. So, she deliberately skewed what people saw at the Pentagon to paint a picture. One might call this deception really.
You can check out many witnesses' statement + evidence of AA77 on Mark Roberts' site here.
2nd half of the video
In the second half of the video (or maybe last third or so), Barbara suddenly begins to discuss dual citizens, and specifically such dual citizens that are Americans and Israeli (according to her).
She lays the blame pretty much on them, or at the very least make them look suspect and only focus on them. This without basically any evidence that can prove they actually did anything to cause the destruction at the Pentagon.
In this part of the video, it's more speculation than anything else. (and seemingly an "attack" on "zionists")
She does not appear to question any of her own theories here, unlike how detailed she was in the first half or first two thirds. This is my second point with this post (being non-questioning).
Final thoughts
Truthers often act this way! They have some areas where they are very very detailed and really know a lot. I give them credit for that knowledge for sure.
but then they can put forth theories that they don't seem to scrutinize themself and accept as fact without supporting evidence. It can be them claiming there were no planes, military planes, switched planes, controlled demolitions etc..
A more consistent focus on detail had been desirable from truthers so they would also question their own theories and scrutinize them. There should be no pride in this! If they're wrong about some things, they should admit that (if needed) and change accordingly, as should us "debunkers"!
We're all people, take care!
Visar inlägg med etikett AA77. Visa alla inlägg
Visar inlägg med etikett AA77. Visa alla inlägg
måndag 3 augusti 2015
onsdag 11 mars 2015
85 cameras
What do they have to hide?
Many of us have heard claims of there being 85 cameras, which footage was taken by FBI, without releasing this footage. Supposedly they are from when AA77 hits Pentagon. So, why doesn't FBI release these videos? What do they have to hide? These are questions which have been repeated over and over in the past years.
I must admit that I didn't know which cameras these were or what they showed. I thought it was fair to ask them to be shown, as long as it would not mean any risk to the companies or organizations etc. who had the cameras. and of course it's really only "suspicious" if the footage from these cameras actually show something other than a plane hitting the Pentagon and the FBI withheld such information.
Information exists on these 85 videos, and several have been released
To my surprise, I saw a member of a Facebook-group I have about 9/11 post an archived link about these 85 videos (all are not from separate cameras). On the link, all 85 videos are listed with short information about each one. A caveat is that I did not count all of them to see that they were 85, but it seemed to be about 85 to me. Another caveat is that I cannot verify this information with another source, but the link shows documents in writing as pictures as well as the text with the information about each video.
If we assume that the information about the videos are correct, and that it is all 85 being written about on that link, then there really isn't much of a mystery there, and there is nothing of importance that we have not seen before, save for possibly one video or possibly group of images described at the end. That was the only one I have not seen myself at least. I don't know more information about that only video (or images) that shows something that I have not seen before. Would be interesting to know more about it. You can see the archived link about the 85 videos here.
I think it was the same member of my group (became unclear who had posted the first link in my group) who also posted 16 videos in a playlist on his youtube-channel. I do not know if all 85 videos are shown there, but I did see that the first youtube-link in that playlist appeared to be one video with copies just like it's described in the list over the 85 videos that one video was. To clarify, about 5 of the 85 videos are copies of another. I have not confirmed if it's the same one at this point though. It was one I had not seen before, but there was nothing new about the attack on that one.
You can see the playlist here, starting with the first video in the list.
What do the videos contain?
Turns out that several of the videos are not from the Pentagon, but from WTC actually. As I wrote above, some are copies (most are not). Many of them are tourist videos. Some are very short. Most of them show Pentagon after the attack has occured.
All of them were released as part of a FOIA request.
Many of us have heard claims of there being 85 cameras, which footage was taken by FBI, without releasing this footage. Supposedly they are from when AA77 hits Pentagon. So, why doesn't FBI release these videos? What do they have to hide? These are questions which have been repeated over and over in the past years.
I must admit that I didn't know which cameras these were or what they showed. I thought it was fair to ask them to be shown, as long as it would not mean any risk to the companies or organizations etc. who had the cameras. and of course it's really only "suspicious" if the footage from these cameras actually show something other than a plane hitting the Pentagon and the FBI withheld such information.
Information exists on these 85 videos, and several have been released
To my surprise, I saw a member of a Facebook-group I have about 9/11 post an archived link about these 85 videos (all are not from separate cameras). On the link, all 85 videos are listed with short information about each one. A caveat is that I did not count all of them to see that they were 85, but it seemed to be about 85 to me. Another caveat is that I cannot verify this information with another source, but the link shows documents in writing as pictures as well as the text with the information about each video.
If we assume that the information about the videos are correct, and that it is all 85 being written about on that link, then there really isn't much of a mystery there, and there is nothing of importance that we have not seen before, save for possibly one video or possibly group of images described at the end. That was the only one I have not seen myself at least. I don't know more information about that only video (or images) that shows something that I have not seen before. Would be interesting to know more about it. You can see the archived link about the 85 videos here.
I think it was the same member of my group (became unclear who had posted the first link in my group) who also posted 16 videos in a playlist on his youtube-channel. I do not know if all 85 videos are shown there, but I did see that the first youtube-link in that playlist appeared to be one video with copies just like it's described in the list over the 85 videos that one video was. To clarify, about 5 of the 85 videos are copies of another. I have not confirmed if it's the same one at this point though. It was one I had not seen before, but there was nothing new about the attack on that one.
You can see the playlist here, starting with the first video in the list.
What do the videos contain?
Turns out that several of the videos are not from the Pentagon, but from WTC actually. As I wrote above, some are copies (most are not). Many of them are tourist videos. Some are very short. Most of them show Pentagon after the attack has occured.
All of them were released as part of a FOIA request.
måndag 2 februari 2015
Pentagon eyewitnesses (videos)
The other day I saw several youtube-links to witnesses of the plane crashing into the Pentagon in a group I have on FB so I thought I'd make a blog-post about them.
Especially 3 of them were extra interesting, but they're all good. They are 6 in total and I'll also add a playlist to that.
I'll post the most interesting ones last. All clips are short, 1-3 minutes. They come from TV-stations so may be taken down in the future at some point, but I will take a chance and post links to them any way.
Will post direct links for now. Meant to post embedded videos of these videos, but Blogger cannot find the videos.
2 mins, Joel Sucherman:
(link: Pentagon Plane Crash Witness Joel Sucherman, Ch. 9)
2 mins, Harry Gold:
(link: Pentagon Plane Crash Witness Harry Gold)
2 mins, Capten Steve McCoy:
(link: Pentagon Plane Crash Witness Capt. Steve McCoy)
Now comes the most interesting witnesses.
3 mins, firefighter Alan Wallace who was very close to the impact hiding under a car:
(link: Pentagon Plane Crash Witness Alan Wallace)
3 mins, pilot Tim Timmerman, identified the plane as a 757 and an American Airlines plane:
(link: Pentagon Plane Crash Witness Tim Timmerman C*N*N)
1 minute, Dawn Vignola who could also identify the plane as a 757 and American Airlines plane through the male living with her:
(link: Pentagon Plane Crash Witness Dawn Vignola)
In addition to these 6 videos, there is also a playlist of 5 videos of Pentagon witnesses that you can get to by clicking this. 4 of the videos are 9-10 mins long and the 5th is 4 mins long.
There are more witnesses than these, but they help to get an idea.
Especially 3 of them were extra interesting, but they're all good. They are 6 in total and I'll also add a playlist to that.
I'll post the most interesting ones last. All clips are short, 1-3 minutes. They come from TV-stations so may be taken down in the future at some point, but I will take a chance and post links to them any way.
Will post direct links for now. Meant to post embedded videos of these videos, but Blogger cannot find the videos.
2 mins, Joel Sucherman:
(link: Pentagon Plane Crash Witness Joel Sucherman, Ch. 9)
2 mins, Harry Gold:
(link: Pentagon Plane Crash Witness Harry Gold)
2 mins, Capten Steve McCoy:
(link: Pentagon Plane Crash Witness Capt. Steve McCoy)
Now comes the most interesting witnesses.
3 mins, firefighter Alan Wallace who was very close to the impact hiding under a car:
(link: Pentagon Plane Crash Witness Alan Wallace)
3 mins, pilot Tim Timmerman, identified the plane as a 757 and an American Airlines plane:
(link: Pentagon Plane Crash Witness Tim Timmerman C*N*N)
1 minute, Dawn Vignola who could also identify the plane as a 757 and American Airlines plane through the male living with her:
(link: Pentagon Plane Crash Witness Dawn Vignola)
In addition to these 6 videos, there is also a playlist of 5 videos of Pentagon witnesses that you can get to by clicking this. 4 of the videos are 9-10 mins long and the 5th is 4 mins long.
There are more witnesses than these, but they help to get an idea.
Prenumerera på:
Inlägg (Atom)